Roger Castillo – Satsang – The old interpretation just doesn’t make sense anymore

 

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so those that are familiar with the
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teachings because of having listened to
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such songs more than once you’ll notice
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and see that
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what’s delivered is actually a framework
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that tries not to leave anything out
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it’s a holistic framework that explains
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suffering and as a result of the
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explanation highlights that suffering
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can in theory come to an end
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and not only in theory but it does in
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practice for people so both in theory
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and in practice suffering can come to an
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end the conceptual framework tries to
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answer a lot of the questions but not
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only answer questions but primarily
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exposed dynamics described dynamics when
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dynamics are not understood then certain
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dynamics that maybe don’t make as much
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sense in light of an explanation we’ll
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carry on as if they make sense so if we
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don’t see mechanics let’s say if we
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don’t see that something is happening
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because of a certain reason then this
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space for us to create our own reason as
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to why it’s happening and if we come to
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see that something is happening for a
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very specific reason and that that
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reason is different to the concept that
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we have the idea we have about why it’s
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happening and if attention lands on that
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other reason for things to happen and it
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sees it time and time again as actually
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being
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more realistic explanation of why
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something is happening then our previous
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idea a previous explanation of why
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something happens has to fall away if
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it’s no longer supported and so what’s
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put forward is a set of concepts and I
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can’t emphasize this more that the
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concepts are pointers and the pointers
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need to be followed not believed and the
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pointers are always pointing to our
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experience so they’re really saying
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verify whatever is suggested for
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yourself based on your own investigation
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of your own daily life so real change
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real learning happens when it’s a
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byproduct of what is experienced
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if we draw conclusions based on what is
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experienced then those conclusions are
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not merely conceptual and so that means
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that we really need to put our attention
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on what is being experienced what is
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happening on an experiential level so
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it’s encouraging a looking on the level
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of actuality or experience rather than
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keeping the concepts in our head and
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imagining that we understand them and so
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the great news is that this looking
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happens automatically if a little switch
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goes off in the head that says are
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actually the only job I have which isn’t
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isn’t even really my job is to allow the
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concepts that have become part of my
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up-to-date-conditioning to see what’s
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happening in life really if we want to
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be specific with dynamics that might
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happen because I’m making it very clear
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that it’s very important and so I’m
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putting out new conditioning that
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hopefully becomes part of the
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up-to-date-conditioning
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and then attention automatically goes
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from the head into daily living onto the
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experience where the dynamics are
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actually happening and then the dynamics
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can get seen so it isn’t even our doing
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it’s not something you have to do it’s
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something that will happen if I make the
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point strongly enough
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and so because it’s a conceptual
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framework sometimes it’s good to focus
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on particulars of the conceptual
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framework and what I’d like to focus on
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to start with is these two different
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levels that pervade through the
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conceptual framework is the biological
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reaction and the psychological reaction
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there is the flow of life and our
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attitude to the flow of life there is
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the thinking mind and the working mind
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there is pain and pleasure peace and
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suffering now these are the ones that go
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together the flow of life and biological
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reactions pleasure and pain they’re all
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on one level they’re all circumstantial
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and the working mind on that level on
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the other level there is the thinking
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mind the the attitudinal level the
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thinking mind the psychological
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reactions suffering and if a distinction
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between these two levels isn’t made then
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what happens is they basically blend in
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and are seen as one and if a distinction
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between these two levels doesn’t happen
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then clarity is it’s very hard to be
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there so why are these two levels so
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important to separate and to define
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conceptually to create a conceptual
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distinction between these two levels
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that that are part of life in general
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the reason is because what’s being
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spoken about here is one very particular
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subject and that subject is happiness in
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daily living happiness for the human
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being in daily living and it turns out
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that happiness for the human being on a
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continuous unbroken basis is available
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but that happiness is available in a
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very particular form or we could say
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happiness is one thing in particular
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happiness turns out to be peace of mind
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regardless of circumstance
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our idea of happiness is usually
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happiness through outcomes happiness
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will be there if I’m loved by the other
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happiness will be there if I have
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material gain happiness will be there
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when life looks a certain way on a
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circumstantial level
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that would mean happiness on the level
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of the flow of life and that’s the wrong
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idea about happiness and if we look for
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happiness on that level we’ll never find
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it happiness is not to be found in the
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flow of life happiness is not to be
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found in pleasure or pain it turns out
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that our happiness is to be found in our
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attitude to the flow of life and what is
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our current attitude that creates
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unhappiness the current attitude that
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creates unhappiness is the attitude of
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personal doership
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and attachment to outcomes and that
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attitude is a byproduct of deeply
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ingrained beliefs that are part of our
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up-to-date-conditioning beliefs that
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were delivered based on the new
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conditioning that was that came to us in
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each moment in life and the cumulation
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of the new conditioning in each moment
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is what we can call
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up-to-date-conditioning
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so our attitude that creates unhappiness
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is the attitude towards the flow of life
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that says my happiness is to be found in
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the flow of life and I am the doer and
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the other is the doer and the attitude
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that delivers happiness is actually the
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absence the falling away of the current
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attitude of doer ship and attachment to
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outcome now if life put that attitude in
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place it makes sense that that’s how
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attitudes or beliefs get embedded and it
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makes sense that that’s how they’ll get
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uprooted it’s life that put
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everything in place and its life that
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brings about change so on one level on
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the level of the flow of life we find
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ourselves in a circumstance and based on
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the circumstance and our particular
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makeup at that point in time there is a
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biological reaction that happens now the
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biological reaction has nothing to do
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with happiness or unhappiness the
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biological reaction is on the level of
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the flow of life so if someone gives us
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some chocolate cake and we put it into
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our mouth and then there is a biological
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reaction and that biological reaction is
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either pleasurable or painful you can’t
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avoid the biological reaction it’s based
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on the genes and up-to-date-conditioning
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and primarily the biological preferences
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that are in place and even stretching
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out to pick up the piece of chocolate
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cake is a biological reaction everything
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that happens on the flow of life is a
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biological reaction our thinking if it
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is the working mind thinking functional
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thinking is a biological reaction so
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even though it’s thinking and normally
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we use the word psychological for
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thinking in this case we’re creating a
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distinction biological means those
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things that happen through the body
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functions of the body that are part of
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the flow of life and that includes
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thinking then there’s a distinction
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between different types of thinking the
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type of thinking that we will call
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suffering is not part of the biological
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movement of the body it’s part of the
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site
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illogical movement and it turns out that
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the psychological movement of the body
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is about an attitude to the biological
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an attitude to the biological and the
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circumstance that’s happening so
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suffering is always attitudinal that
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attitude to the flow of life does arise
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in the form of thoughts and feelings so
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maybe we can start to see that there are
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these two levels the biological which
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can include thinking like what will I
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buy at the grocery store is a thought or
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where did I leave my bag as a thought
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and that’s part of the biological
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functioning of the human being in life
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and the biological functioning is not
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our unhappiness is not suffering it’s
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pleasure or pain it’s on the flow of
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life level
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it turns out that our suffering is a
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product of what we can call the work the
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thinking mind the thinking mind is not
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biological but psychological and the
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thinking mind at its root has these
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beliefs that life has put in place that
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create a certain attitude to what is
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happening and the main attitude that
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causes problems is the attitude of
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personal doer ship I am the doer and the
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other is the doer and the accompanying
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attitude is and my happiness is to be
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found in outcomes in how life turns out
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and as a result of those ingrained
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beliefs suffering arises in the form of
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guilt blame and pride worry and
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expectation and attachment to outcomes
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and the guilt blame and pride is about
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what I have done and how I’ve done it
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what the other has done and how they did
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it guilt for those actions that happen
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through me that delivered a painful
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outcome to myself or someone I like I
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like or love or even a stranger and
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blame towards the other for what they
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have done that delivered pain to me or
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someone I love or even a stranger and
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pride is based on the same principle of
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seeing the other as the doer and seeing
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myself as the doer and looking at those
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actions that happen through me that are
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positive and then saying look what I
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have achieved
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so the idea that I am a doer really what
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it means is it’s a way of interpreting
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so do a ship doesn’t mean what we do or
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don’t do so the idea of non do a ship if
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if an understanding of non do a ship
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sinks in it doesn’t mean we will stop
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functioning it doesn’t mean we will stop
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acting in life Nandu ership is our
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attitude to what is happening to how we
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function and similarly the attitude of
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doer ship is an attitude to what is
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happening to the functioning of the
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human being and the functioning of the
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other so our behavior in life our
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activity in life is possibly not going
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to change at all when the attitude
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changes from do ership to Nando ship
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it’s simply a way of interpreting or
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seeing what is happening so the attitude
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of doership sees the person as an
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independent entity that creates of their
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own volition everything that they think
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feel say and do and it sees the other is
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the same
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and the attitude of non doership is
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simply the dissolving of being able to
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see the life like that it simply doesn’t
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make sense anymore the reason it doesn’t
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make sense anymore is because it used to
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make sense make sense when the
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functioning of the human being
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wasn’t seen for what it is so when it’s
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not seen for what it is it makes sense
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that there’s space for another story I
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am in control of what I say in this
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moment what I do in this moment I have
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complete volition
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so we have an idea of ourself as and
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some imagined entity inside that can
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consciously choose what to do and what
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not to do and when we look for this
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entity if we look inwards and we try and
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find this entity what we’ll end up
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finding is a conditioned instrument the
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human body which includes the brain and
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we might start to see that all of the
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body functions automatically it’s a
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biological machine the heart pumps the
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liver filters the spleen the spleen I’m
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not sure the spleen does some sort of
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filtering I’m sure and the brain
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processes
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the brain is like the central processing
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unit that gets the rest of the body to
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function in a coordinated way based on
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what is sensed from the outside
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and so what feels like my doing actually
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is an automatic response or reaction
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that had to happen that way
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based on the circumstance and what
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throws us off here is the fact that it
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feels so much like my doing a lot of
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what happens well actually not so not a
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lot of what happens through the human
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being some of what happens through the
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human being feels like my doing some of
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the thinking and the speaking and the
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actions feel like my doing there are
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times when things just come out we say
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things that we don’t mean to say the
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body involuntarily what we call
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involuntary movements happen twitches
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and stumbles and all sorts of things
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that we don’t intend to do and they
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happen anyway so maybe even those
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functions that feel like they are my
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doing are automatic and involuntary
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and if I were saying this in isolation
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to a specific benchmark it might sound
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like well I don’t think this sounds very
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good or this is nonsense but if we keep
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in mind this very important question
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what am I really looking for in life and
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maybe if we’ve come to see that the
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answer that is suggested here is not far
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off in fact may be very accurate what
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I’m really looking for is to be happy in
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life and when I look at what my
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unhappiness in life is it’s a feeling
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that arises throughout the day because
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of my relationship my attitude to
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circumstance that feeling we can call
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suffering and at its core it’s an
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uncomfortableness with who we are and it
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arises in those different forms guilt
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blame pride worry and expectation so if
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we become clear that what I’m looking
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for is happiness my unhappiness is a
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very specific set of feelings and
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thoughts and when I look at those
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thoughts and feelings that at the base
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is an uncomfortableness with oneself and
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an uncomfortableness with the other and
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uncomfortableness with life we see that
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it’s not biological but attitudinal
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meaning it’s not circumstantial but my
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attitude to circumstance that’s what the
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uncomfortableness is the
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uncomfortableness on a level of self we
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could say what seems like an attack on
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Who I am
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and so if we come to this conclusion
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then then we might see ah this is why
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it’s worth looking and seeing whether I
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really am the doer and whether the other
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is the doer and in fact if I come to
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this conclusion now what I’m looking for
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is happiness my unhappiness is suffering
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and suffering arise in the form of guilt
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blame pride worry an expectation and the
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basis on which guilt blame pride one
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expects expectation arise is an
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underlying assumption that I am the doer
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the others the doer and my happiness is
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dependent on life looking a certain way
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if we come to that conclusion we would
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actually hope that when we investigate
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whether I really am the doer and the
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other is the doer whether my happiness
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really is dependent on outcomes we would
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hope that we find that the answer is no
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no I am NOT the doer and no my happiness
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isn’t to be found and outcomes the
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reason we would hope to find on
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investigation that that belief is
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incorrect is because if we didn’t find
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that it’s incorrect if we found that it
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is correct then it means the suffering
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that arises makes sense
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the suffering that arises isn’t based on
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an error and therefore we’d have to
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conclude we’d have to accept that
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suffering is inevitable and unchanging
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part of life whereas if we check and we
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find wow this idea that I’m the doer is
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based on a very superficial assessment
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of what happens in each moment and it’s
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it’s wrong
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I can’t run with it anymore it was based
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on a superficial assessment and my
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assessment has now gone deeper my
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assessment has become more accurate more
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detailed and the basis of nandu ship the
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factors or the proof the evidence that
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is being put forward here that says
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actually what you do in each moment is
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much less you’re doing and much more
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happening points at the fact that the
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human being in each moment is one way is
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designed very specifically to be one way
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in each moment and that way the way that
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they are the shape of the human being is
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based on two factors and those two
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factors are two factors that we were
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never in control of the genes and
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up-to-date-conditioning now genes and
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up-to-date-conditioning really point to
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the complete makeup on a biological and
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psychological level of this human
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instrument so that means the very
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complex neural networks the blood
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vessels the organs and all of the
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beliefs that are contained in the system
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not only beliefs but personality
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preferences so genes and
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up-to-date-conditioning means the
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complete instrument through which
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consciousness functions
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and it should be quite clear that you
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know when we were conceived we started
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growing and who on earth had control
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over their growth their physical growth
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and the growing process in principle
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remains the same throughout our life
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and how the growth happens is determined
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and influenced by the environment in
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which we find ourself in and so that’s
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what we can call the conditioning that
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becomes one with the genetics they’re
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not too really they become the one human
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being
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so actually sometimes when people hear
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about this explanation of genes and
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up-to-date-conditioning they say oh this
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is an outdated explanation science has
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now found that the workings of the human
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being are much more complex to what was
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understood in the 60s or 70s when the
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notion of genes put forward now I
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contend that based on the explanation
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I’ll just put forward genes and
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up-to-date-conditioning is just a way of
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describing the complete human being we
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don’t need to know the specifics of
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genetic science scientists will
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understand the makeup of the human being
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more and more particularly but they’ll
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continue to find that those two factors
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and not something that we’re in control
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of we are a result of those two factors
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on a biological and psychological level
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we are a result so it turns out that in
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the early stages it was believed that
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genes were more or less unchanging and
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nowadays is the notion of epigenetics
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epigenetics simply means that the genes
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do change and they change as a result of
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the environment that they’re exposed to
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so what it’s saying is that the genes
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and the up-to-date-conditioning and not
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too so the human being is a result of
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the genes and up-to-date-conditioning
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and what it creates is the final not to
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product the human being as it is in each
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moment and so new conditioning will
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change who we are a biological and
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psychological level that’s just
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inevitable and that change could be and
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is I would guess physiological so even
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our belief system is represented by
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physiology in the brain so when we stop
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believing in Santa Claus there’s going
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to be a corresponding shift in the
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makeup of the human being something has
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changed so I would expect that there is
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a change on the level of the instrument
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and where do you think this change takes
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place when the belief in Santa Claus
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changes I’d say it takes place in this
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amazing instrument the brain if we were
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to look at the brain under certain
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instrumentation we see it’s firing
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millions of times a second and so a
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change in belief would be part of that
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movement in the brain
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and so if we get new information that
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information is processed and it becomes
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part of who we are and we then function
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based on design in that particular
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moment so even if the functioning feels
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personal feels like it’s me doing it
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it’s a result of the instrument at any
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particular point in time and that
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instrument is that way according to
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factors that were not in control of
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that’s it that’s about as complex or
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simple as it gets and the attitude of
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personal doership has an idea that it’s
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completely incompatible to what I’ve
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just described described
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so hearing this information is probably
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creating lots of movement in the brain
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anything creates lots of movement in the
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brain but it makes sense that this
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information new conditioning will be
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changing our genes and
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up-to-date-conditioning how it changes
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our genes and up-to-date-conditioning
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not in your control not in my control
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the stuff going on in here when we’re
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listening to things is not something
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that we’re privy to what seems to happen
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is that real long lasting change happens
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not when we just hear something but when
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we start to confirm based on observation
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that’s when the movements in the brain
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and the new connections are probably
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formed the most so in the explanation
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put forward we say that you start off
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with an intellectual understanding that
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means something in the brain has changed
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so if I ask someone tomorrow hey what’s
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your intellectual understanding about
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non-dual if they can repeat it it means
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that things happen in the brain and it
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got locked in
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if they can’t repeat it they go I I
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don’t know I was there but I frankly I
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got no idea
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so things must have been happening in
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the brain but it might have been things
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related to sounds outside or related to
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your shopping list that you are thinking
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about or it might have been you were
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listening but the way that things happen
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in the brain it didn’t lock the
37:27
information in which means it didn’t
37:29
create new patterning but to have an
37:33
intellectual understanding is one thing
37:38
what we find with just an intellectual
37:41
understanding is it doesn’t have the
37:43
effect of changing the deeply ingrained
37:47
beliefs as we start to observe what is
37:53
described for us
37:54
in daily life really see it then it
37:59
seems like that is much more powerful at
38:01
creating long lasting new links in the
38:05
genes and up-to-date-conditioning that’s
38:13
why at the beginning of today’s session
38:16
II I think it was today’s session
38:18
there’s a really important fundamental
38:22
movement that needs to happen and that
38:24
is for us to observe what is being
38:27
pointed out for ourself
38:29
based on our own life experience and as
38:36
it’s observed more and more the changes
38:40
go deeper and deeper the understanding
38:42
goes deeper and deeper and deeper and it
38:44
kicks out the misunderstanding what it
38:48
really might be saying here is that the
38:51
old neural networks shift to new neural
38:58
networks so the deeper and deeper the
39:05
understanding goes the more of the old
39:08
understanding misunderstanding that
39:11
dissolves
39:19
until one day we find ourselves
39:22
functioning in life living life and
39:27
finding that suffering no longer arises
39:30
not because we’re working very hard to
39:34
ensure that suffering doesn’t arise but
39:37
because life has changed us such that we
39:41
are now designed a different way to
39:44
before
40:07
so if it becomes clear that what I’m
40:10
looking for is happiness happiness turns
40:13
out to be the end of suffering I’m not
40:15
the doer of whether this happiness comes
40:20
or not it’s a result of my genes and
40:25
up-to-date-conditioning that I’m not in
40:26
control of if that information gets
40:32
locked in it means we’ve changed we’re
40:39
different too when that information was
40:41
not part of our system if that
40:43
information is part of our system it
40:45
makes sense that when we go through life
40:47
attention can start landing on aspects
40:57
of life that are relevant to this
40:59
question of happiness and as attention
41:02
lands on aspects of life that are
41:05
relevant to this question of happiness
41:06
that’s new conditioning that’s
41:09
experience presenting itself and that
41:12
experience and the observation of it the
41:15
awareness oven is likely to make further
41:17
changes we can see that this movement
41:29
that has been happening for at least the
41:34
last five thousand years based on texts
41:40
and images that are around today that
41:46
talk about this subject and more or less
41:49
the same way on talking about it now
41:52
different words but same principle we
41:58
could look at this movement as part of
42:00
human evolution
42:08
and that the change evolution is change
42:16
the change that happens happens through
42:20
life gradually delivering and when I say
42:24
gradually I mean on a on a humanity
42:29
level the change is very gradual but for
42:34
particularly a Jewell’s
42:36
which make up you know that the the
42:40
cumulative population makes up humanity
42:46
and evolution is about a change in the
42:51
whole of the population over a very long
42:56
period of time but that change happens
42:59
little bit by little bit and the little
43:02
bit is where individuals change
43:06
radically
43:06
and so one individual that changes
43:10
radically has had a very small effect on
43:13
the whole so if one person changes in a
43:22
way where they no longer function and
43:25
suffering no longer arises then out of
43:30
the whole population the overall
43:33
evolution is minor
43:42
but for the one person that has changed
43:47
the evolution is quite drastic
44:16
and as that as that change happens it
44:22
makes sense that the intelligence of the
44:25
whole the intelligence of life starts to
44:30
function so that human being will start
44:36
talking about this new possibility which
44:43
becomes part of the agent of change and
44:49
we start seeing more and more
44:52
individuals in the mass population
44:54
changing and as more and more change
44:59
happens overall the overall change
45:03
starts to increase and so this shift
45:12
could well be the beginning it’s
45:17
probably is not the beginning it’s it’s
45:19
advanced of a complete change that
45:25
happens at some point
45:51
so I wouldn’t be surprised that in the
45:54
same way that we might look back on the
45:57
evolution of the human and see versions
46:02
of humans that now seem very distant to
46:08
what we are it wouldn’t surprise me that
46:12
in many years time humans will look back
46:16
and see this period of history as being
46:22
part of human evolution contrary to what
46:32
is often put forward and it’s put
46:34
forward for good reason there’s method
46:37
to a teaching contrary to what’s put
46:42
forward is the change that happens
46:45
happens on the level of the body mind so
46:50
enlightenment is often said not to be
46:54
something of the person the person
46:59
doesn’t get liberated
47:06
I say and Ramesh used to say the person
47:10
is who gets liberated the change when we
47:16
look at it happens on the level of mind
47:19
or brain liberation per se is not
47:26
something it’s not the new a new
47:31
functioning it’s not the addition it’s
47:34
the falling away of suffering the
47:41
suffering is mind made brain made and
47:49
the liberation is the liberation from
47:52
the brain functioning a particular way
47:54
so the change happens on the level of
47:58
the body mind organism
48:14
the reason why our teaching says that
48:17
enlightenment is not something that
48:20
happens on the level of mind is simply
48:25
to try and cut off the thinking mind
48:27
that is convinced that if it’s something
48:31
that happens on the level of mind I need
48:33
to do it so that teachings that say it’s
48:38
not something that happens on the level
48:40
of the mind you can’t think your way
48:43
into freedom is pointing at the movement
48:48
of the the doer the thinking mind that
48:52
when that is moving
48:54
it’s a reinforcing of the existing
48:57
patterns the existing genes and
49:00
up-to-date-conditioning it’s a
49:03
reinforcing of the idea I am the doer I
49:05
will make this happen I have to make
49:07
life happen I do make life happen and so
49:13
if that’s the functioning a teaching
49:15
will say stop you can’t think your way
49:21
out of a problem that exists on the
49:26
level of the mind but actually that
49:29
teaching that is saying it’s not a
49:32
functioning of the mind is talking to
49:37
the mind any teaching even a teaching
49:41
that says it’s not a teaching is talking
49:45
to the mind the brain the only thing
49:50
that hears a teaching is the brain so if
49:53
a teaching says stop thinking in order
49:59
for the brain to stop thinking if that’s
50:05
going to happen it’s because the brain
50:09
gets reconditioned to in certain
50:15
instances stop thinking so an
50:20
instruction that says I’m not talking to
50:22
the mind is actually talking to the mind
50:25
I don’t have a problem with an
50:26
instruction
50:27
as I’m not talking mine it’s doing it
50:29
for a good reason but what I’m pointing
50:31
out is that actually all change happens
50:34
on the level of mind first when I say
50:43
mind I really mean brain and mind is not
50:47
too
51:03
we’ve got a lot of beliefs about all
51:07
sorts of things and some of the beliefs
51:10
are the beliefs that have been put in
51:13
place based on our relationship with
51:16
teachings and it’s great to have them
51:26
exposed if we come to understand why
51:31
teachings do something then we can
51:35
realize wow it was telling me something
51:39
that isn’t necessarily the truth very
51:41
valuable very useful but now I can go
51:44
past it now that I understand why it was
51:48
doing that and so even non duality which
51:55
is what I would say that this topic
51:57
actually falls into what I’m sharing
52:00
would still fall into the category of
52:03
non duality but if we hold on to the
52:07
idea of non duality as being some
52:09
ultimate truth and that that’s the
52:13
reason why happiness is available you
52:17
know the subject is called non duality
52:19
so that has to be the reason the
52:26
realization the saving grace
52:37
it’s a methodology to bring about shifts
52:48
non-duality as I see it that’s why I
52:52
have trouble with the terminology now is
52:56
not some ultimate truth that is realized
53:01
and the the freedom lies because of the
53:07
realization of non-duality a realization
53:13
of oneness from a particular perspective
53:16
you can sort of see lots of different
53:19
explanations of what oneness and non
53:22
duality is pointing at
53:25
there is interconnectivity there is the
53:29
perspective that sees everything as a
53:31
single experience life is a single
53:34
experience you have the perspective that
53:36
is there is one consciousness
53:37
functioning through all of us and so
53:41
ultimately at our core we are all one
53:43
and not separate from that consciousness
53:47
so there are a lot of interpretations of
53:50
what oneness and non duality and non
53:53
separation mean in this teaching the non
53:57
separation turns out to be or the
54:01
separation turns out to be the idea I am
54:04
the doer that creates me and the other
54:10
as doers and creates a sense of
54:13
competition and rivalry anonymity and
54:17
creates an attitude that disturbs the
54:22
peace so the separation in this
54:29
particular teaching is talking about an
54:33
attitudinal separation and when the
54:37
attitude of do ership falls away what we
54:40
find is that we’re all moving in each
54:44
moment like the crest of a wave the
54:48
movement in each moment of everyone and
54:50
circumstance is a happening and there is
54:56
no attitude that’s creating a separation
54:59
between me and the other
55:06
that’s the microphone back okay I want
55:16
to get this so badly um so any
55:20
resistance that I’m putting out is just
55:22
my desire to like absorb this more
55:25
deeply I don’t know if this is a Western
55:27
thing or an American thing but it feels
55:31
like um to accept my conditioning on
55:37
some level feels irresponsible still for
55:40
me I I see on one level acceptance to my
55:47
conditioning at this point is the only
55:49
entryway on another level I feel like
55:55
there’s it’s irresponsible like and
55:57
that’s like the Tony Robbins or the
55:59
self-help movement you know in terms of
56:01
like I have the power to change I know
56:05
this is like so rudimentary and I
56:07
apologize for this but I was just while
56:10
you were speaking I was thinking the
56:14
time in life and we’re children and we
56:16
don’t have the consciousness to change
56:18
our conditioning we’re literally being
56:20
conditioned there’s almost like an anger
56:23
at the circumstances that created so
56:28
much suffering as a child like because
56:32
there’s nothing I could do about that
56:33
then the anger goes from the
56:35
circumstances to myself when there’s a
56:38
period in life where I know better like
56:42
it’s okay there’s the early part in life
56:45
where we’re being conditioned and we
56:48
don’t have control and so that there’s
56:50
some anger that like why did this happen
56:53
to me a victim mentality then there’s a
56:56
period in life where I begin to have
56:58
consciousness and awareness and I begin
57:01
to consciously change my conditioning
57:02
saying this doesn’t work this is not
57:05
changing now I have anger towards myself
57:10
for not choosing better
57:13
and now there’s like this third segment
57:18
where I know there’s more like a despair
57:21
or grief or powerlessness that I can’t
57:24
necessarily upgrade to the level that I
57:28
want to just make sense so it’s like
57:31
from non conscious awareness of
57:32
conditioning to having conscious
57:34
awareness to now being aware but not
57:37
being able to change it so what you said
57:41
makes sense but it’s your story of how
57:43
things work totally yeah
57:46
it’s inaccurate awesome I’m not asking
57:52
anyone to accept that you can’t control
58:00
how you function and how the other
58:03
functions I’m just putting forward a
58:07
description that when it’s looked at
58:11
rationally and objectively is hard to be
58:15
faulted and so if someone says but I
58:22
don’t like that description and it seems
58:28
irresponsible for me to accept that
58:30
description it sounds as though this is
58:33
optional it’s like well this is just a
58:36
description of dynamics it’s not like oh
58:40
I can have this description or another
58:42
description and choose which one sounds
58:47
nicest it’s like do you want to know the
58:53
description that is an objective
58:55
description from a particular
58:57
perspective of how things is Roger an
59:01
American culture it’s like we shouldn’t
59:03
accept the weekend she’s unhappy so you
59:07
shouldn’t accept what we can change so
59:08
like that god grant me the serenity to
59:10
accept the things I cannot change the
59:12
courage to change the things I can the
59:14
wisdom to know the difference yeah so
59:16
that is integrated wisdom right so that
59:21
comes after we first
59:25
see the basic way it is and then the
59:29
paradox can can build on that so the
59:34
paradox is I’m not the doer and yet in
59:38
each moment I am the one that has to
59:40
function the paradox is I’m not in
59:45
control of change and yet the very
59:49
nature of life is change and so we’re
59:53
the type of sayings that talk about the
59:57
the paradox or the different the the
60:04
capacity to to make change let’s say
60:09
it’s there so that our beliefs don’t
60:12
create a complacency don’t create a new
60:16
block that is a belief oh I can’t
60:19
control anything that happens and so if
60:22
that becomes a strong belief then
60:24
there’s a tendency for someone to become
60:26
depressed or fall into despair so then
60:30
the teaching needs to create a
60:33
correction of that movement if we don’t
60:39
at first lay out the the foundation that
60:43
shows ultimately we’re not the doers and
60:46
yet life happens through us and change
60:53
happens and so even though I’m not the
60:55
doer change will continue to happen so
61:01
that’s why those mmm teachings those
61:08
sayings there so that we don’t end up
61:13
only looking at one side of the paradox
61:16
by default a paradox has two sides at
61:20
least so we’re not the doers and yet we
61:26
have to function in each moment as if
61:27
we’re the doer
61:30
I liked so much this description often
61:44
change in the neural network on a
61:47
biological level liberation happening in
61:50
the body-mind system and when you were
61:53
talking about that making the difference
61:58
between Spain pleasure suffering and all
62:06
these these G’s just split up I could
62:09
see that when these this intelligence of
62:14
life which is operating through all body
62:17
minds
62:18
it needs somehow an orientation through
62:22
awareness through the personal awareness
62:24
how to stop the different aspects in the
62:28
brain to function in this way and to
62:31
reprogram them to function in the new
62:33
way so and I got it that a belief is
62:40
mostly as they made for this process
62:43
that’s why you are so much pointing out
62:48
when the belief that the mode when the
62:51
mode in the brain is in the belief mode
62:53
there nothing there isn’t it can’t just
62:57
land on it just can’t land on because
62:59
it’s like little deleted I could see it
63:04
hmm yes and I like it very much
63:12
and actually you’ll see that if I
63:15
describe it the way I did today what
63:18
happens is you don’t end up getting the
63:20
conceptual information in a way the the
63:24
model as it’s normally put forward gives
63:27
the conceptual distinctions that are
63:31
required for the changes to happen so
63:34
it’s new conditioning and so that new
63:37
conditioning is specifically designed to
63:43
be delivered in a way that brings about
63:45
the changes yes so certain explanation
63:49
so the explanation I gave today is not
63:52
what I’ll normally put forward it’s
63:55
great to have it as a secondary
63:58
explanation but in order for those
64:01
changes to happen the information needs
64:04
to be delivered so in in conceptual form
64:09
that creates conceptual distinctions so
64:15
that the whole landscape can be
64:17
understood conceptually and then seem
64:21
according to those concepts then at some
64:24
point that conceptual framework is seen
64:28
to be actually just a rudimentary
64:31
explanation and it can be dropped yeah
64:36
so if we describe the functioning of the
64:42
changes in the neural network and that’s
64:44
describing the changes that happen but
64:47
it’s not providing the information on
64:49
which the changes happen mm-hmm
64:52
so that’s why breaking it down into
64:55
something like genes and
64:57
up-to-date-conditioning even though the
64:59
two are not separate breaking it into
65:02
the working mind and the thinking mind
65:04
even though there is just one brain
65:08
creates the information provides the
65:10
information the information is simply
65:12
new conditioning it’s sort of like hits
65:16
that create change yes and here it is
65:21
experienced when this information is the
65:27
yeah if we want to go back to to your
65:38
question which is saying so it’s hard to
65:51
accept what you might find is it’s hard
65:56
to accept because it seems to be a
65:58
challenge on the deeply ingrained
66:01
beliefs in practice if we actually see
66:07
what is being described and if seeing
66:13
what’s being described has the required
66:15
effects what ends up being delivered in
66:22
practice is something radically
66:25
different to what the thinking mind
66:27
imagines when it hears this so the
66:31
thinking mind hears this and it says
66:32
this is terrible news I simply can’t
66:37
accept this accepting it is terrible
66:41
because it creates an idea of what this
66:44
actually means and so that idea is based
66:50
on the best it can work out and what
66:55
we’re told over and over again is that
66:59
surrender delivers an amazing output not
67:06
the output we imagine it will deliver
67:10
but this shift is not at all what we
67:15
imagined so at some point if we have
67:21
this rule that suffering arises from
67:23
misunderstanding so in Buddhism it’s
67:26
referred to as ignorance I’m not meant
67:29
to be personal or an attack on the
67:31
individual it’s just the word that’s
67:33
used ignorant stupidity really I guess
67:35
not personal stupidity but an
67:38
era and the shift that happens in
67:45
Buddhism is described as understanding
67:48
clarity so from ignorance to
67:52
understanding and so if we find that
67:56
we’re suffering it’s actually grace for
68:03
us to realize my suffering comes from
68:06
error from ignorance from
68:08
misunderstanding life not seeing it
68:10
clearly and so we might say on that
68:15
basis why am I so sure about the
68:20
conclusions that I form it makes sense
68:24
that the conclusions that come out of
68:26
that ignorance might be ignorant and so
68:31
if we come to this I speak from personal
68:34
experience it was a saving grace a lot
68:37
of the time when I was stubbornly
68:39
arguing something is there was a
68:43
recognition if there is suffering
68:44
arising it’s because life isn’t seen
68:47
clearly so if I’m arguing especially
68:52
against often Ramesh who I trusted had
68:57
no suffering in there in his life which
69:01
to me was a sign of understanding when
69:05
I’d find myself locked in intellectual
69:07
debate not necessarily with him in
69:09
person but in my mind
69:11
supporting my belief systems and the
69:15
thought would arise actually you don’t
69:17
really know there’s a good chance that
69:19
this is part of the misunderstanding
69:21
from which the suffering that is part of
69:24
your life experience arises and that
69:27
used to create a surrender
69:29
it was the recognition oh I’m probably
69:33
pushing my own ignorance
70:10
there’s so much doing
71:31
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well died in that role yeah so if I were
71:50
to say anything to her I’d say she’s off
71:52
duty
71:53
yeah she’s served her time and now she’s
71:57
been discharged um if you look at what’s
72:05
happening is that we have the flow of
72:08
life which is pleasure or pain and then
72:11
there is our attitude to the flow of
72:13
life and that attitude is one of
72:16
resistance because it’s not how we would
72:19
like it to be and so there’s a
72:22
resistance an attitude to the pain in
72:25
the moment or the circumstance in the
72:28
moment and then that resistance feels
72:31
uncomfortable and then we resist the
72:36
uncomfortableness so it’s always an
72:39
attitude so the first attitude of
72:42
suffering is the attitude to pleasure or
72:44
pain that’s the primary suffering
72:49
resistance in the case you describe that
72:53
described of a childhood where you
72:56
weren’t getting a lot of attention
72:58
that’s saying so that’s pain in the
73:01
moment and then there is a resisting of
73:04
the pain in the moment and then that
73:06
resisting feels uncomfortable and then
73:09
there’s a resisting of the
73:10
uncomfortableness and on it goes
73:13
and so if we can understand that the
73:17
what was being locked away in childhood
73:23
is essentially the uncomfortableness of
73:26
the resistance to pain the
73:31
– – pain was the suffering and that is
73:34
being locked away and what gets locked
73:37
away energetically essentially is a
73:40
belief that my happiness is to be found
73:42
and outcome because it was that that
73:45
that relationship that the child had
73:48
that they couldn’t have they couldn’t
73:50
have had it differently they couldn’t be
73:52
different they looked at pain in the
73:55
moment as an attack on who they are it
73:58
was an attack on their self-image yeah
74:13
but actually when you look at it it’s
74:15
the hmm it’s abuse on a biological level
74:21
it’s someone’s concept right and
74:25
someone’s way of behaving that if that
74:28
happens to us when we’re older and let’s
74:33
say grounded in our sense of self that
74:39
behavior towards mean is not an attack
74:42
on Who I am
74:44
it’s just circumstance and in theory if
74:49
a child was grounded in who they are
74:52
it would just be circumstance and the
74:56
fact is we know that at an early age and
75:00
even frankly at a old age the attitude a
75:06
young age and an old age is usually one
75:09
of doer ship and attachment to outcome
75:11
so at an old age or mid mid age whatever
75:16
we’re going to receive that behavior
75:20
from others as an attack on who we are
75:22
just like the child did unless something
75:25
has radically changed inside of us and
75:27
those beliefs are no longer there
75:41
exactly so what happened is completely
75:43
understandable hmm I’m not not
75:46
suggesting it should have been any other
75:48
way the fact is that even adults haven’t
75:52
been grown to a point where they can
75:56
rationalize painful situations as just
76:00
pain so the child has problems because
76:05
it’s understandable and adults have
76:07
problems because actually the attitude
76:09
hasn’t changed radically from childhood
76:11
to mid age or old age right so what I’m
76:17
putting forward is that if we look at it
76:19
rationally which we tend not to be able
76:22
to do as humans right but if we look at
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it rationally we see that a painful
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situation is actually an attack on the
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biological level it if we if we’re
76:35
grounded in a connection to what we are
76:37
at our core only if we’re grounded they
76:41
will realize it what happens in the flow
76:43
of life doesn’t touch Who I am in this
76:47
moment at my core so cancer if I am
76:51
diagnosed with cancer that is eating
76:54
away at my body the core of my being is
76:58
untouched by that and if I’m enslaved
77:02
and I’m being mistreated the core of my
77:08
being is untouched if the attitude is a
77:15
certain way if the attitude isn’t that
77:19
way we’re going to feel completely
77:21
attacked by the cancer completely it’s
77:24
attacked by the maltreatment it makes
77:27
complete sense to me why we’re feeling
77:31
completely attacked because instead of
77:33
having a connection to the core of who
77:35
we are there’s a self-image based on a
77:38
whole lot of beliefs and those beliefs
77:41
are interacting with the circumstance so
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I guess what I like to try and highlight
77:50
is that the child was exposed to pain
77:54
the moment and the attitude to pain in
77:57
the moment was of attachment to pleasure
78:02
this resistance on a psychological level
78:06
to pain and that’s the first level of
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uncomfortableness that’s felt the child
78:11
then feels one the pain that’s the
78:14
that’s because of the circumstance and
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then the uncomfortableness and that
78:21
uncomfortableness is not acceptable just
78:23
like the pain wasn’t acceptable and so
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then there’s a fight against the pain
78:27
and the uncomfortableness and that
78:30
creates more uncomfortableness which is
78:32
not acceptable and so the experience in
78:35
life is highly uncomfortable and so the
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biology tries to fix this and the way it
78:43
can fix it is by suppressing by creating
78:46
distractions and so those attitudes to
78:52
pain and then the attitudes to the
78:54
suffering get locked away in these
78:56
energies and those it’s not really a fix
79:00
because what happens is it gets locked
79:01
in the body and then our filter through
79:04
which we see life is the filter that was
79:07
locked away hmm when we experienced
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painful situations when we were young
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like
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so they’ve hit nail on the head that
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there is a sense of unworthiness and
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that unworthiness is based on an
80:14
interpretation of why things are
80:17
happening if someone’s getting upset
80:20
it’s actually because of them right and
80:24
we interpret it as being personal so the
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belief in personal do ership an
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attachment to outcome is ultimately
80:35
attached to love from the other because
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deep down what is in place is a sense
80:41
that I am not worthy of love and that
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unworthiness is shame and as we’ve
80:52
spoken about that the shame on a very
80:56
deep level might come from the sense
80:59
that we were thrown out of home thrown
81:04
out of God so what we’ve spoken about as
81:09
being what could be referred to as the
81:12
original sin and sin means error so the
81:15
original error which is something we
81:18
come into this life with is the idea
81:20
that I have been thrown out because I’m
81:25
not worthy and so at the very very core
81:29
of our uncomfortableness is a sense of
81:33
shame and unworthiness
82:00
see that that that isn’t knowing you’re
82:03
worthy what you just said that the urge
82:06
to do that is from that I’m not sure I’m
82:09
worthy and if I can prove to the world
82:13
by doing something amazing then people
82:16
will tell me unworthy and to know you’re
82:19
worthy is to not need to do anything
82:43
mm-hmm you see but I agree on a
82:48
conscious level there’s the openness
82:52
there’s an opening that says actually
82:55
this idea that I’m unworthy is an error
82:58
but it’s on a level that hasn’t
83:02
penetrated to the depths there’s two
83:05
beliefs in the system that are I am
83:07
worthy and I don’t need to prove
83:09
anything to anyone my very existence is
83:12
my worth and on another level there’s
83:17
the old unworthiness so in the system
83:20
there’s both and until that
83:23
understanding goes deep and deep and
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deep and completely uproot the beliefs
83:29
that say I’m not worthy which are not
83:32
something you know if someone asks you
83:33
do you think you’re worth it you’ll go
83:35
yes I think I’m worthy because you talk
83:36
you’re answering from the your conscious
83:41
understanding but if someone yells at
83:46
you you’ll collapse into a state of
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unworthiness
83:53
you said it if someone gets up it
83:56
creates a sense of unworthiness
84:07
okay so that’s just okay but so because
84:14
this helps people unworthiness means I’m
84:17
not good enough I’m not good enough his
84:21
link to guilt I’m I I failed I’m not
84:27
performing well enough in this situation
84:30
so um this unworthiness and feeling that
84:35
I’m not doing well enough here are
84:39
linked so I put these forward to try and
84:44
allow awareness and the working mind to
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see dynamics that are in place
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see
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but can you see that if you’re in that
85:25
you’re so you’re acknowledging you’re
85:27
good right in in that yeah and then
85:32
you’re saying and I need people to see
85:35
that I’m good and so my point is that
85:43
that’s not that’s not really saying that
85:45
you’re good you um I’m only saying this
85:50
because I’m interested in these dynamics
85:53
falling away right if we really realize
85:56
that we’re good so I know I’m good
85:59
regardless of what anyone else says or
86:02
thinks that’s – no you’re you’re
86:08
complete
86:23
yeah do you want to know when you really
86:28
know that you’re not guilty you don’t
86:30
even need to plead not guilty so when
86:35
Jesus was put in front of we run with
86:37
the Jesus story he was put in front of
86:40
the court and asked to explain himself
86:43
when asked you have been accused of
86:46
claiming to be the King of the Jews I
86:48
think it was that’s blasphemy so explain
86:52
yourself and in my interpretation of
86:56
this there was an understanding that no
86:59
matter what I say that he’s
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understanding of himself the
87:03
understanding that I am The King of the
87:05
Jews right but he meant he didn’t mean
87:07
what it was interpreted as what it was
87:12
understood as and so he didn’t even need
87:17
to defend himself he remained silent
87:21
understanding that there’s nothing he
87:23
could say that would actually explain
87:29
but be understood by those listening and
87:33
furthermore by entering a plea of not
87:37
guilty you actually buy into the
87:40
accusation when you know that you are
87:45
complete any accusation is simply a
87:49
story that doesn’t need to be
87:53
acknowledged
88:05
see Jesus was in saying I am the son of
88:10
God what he was saying is we are all the
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sons and daughters of God but all he was
88:20
describing is the the nature of the
88:25
human being in personal consciousness of
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source linked to a particular body mind
88:31
organism an instrument and functioning
88:33
through that instrument as personal
88:35
consciousness having realized his
88:39
impersonal core and recognizing that
88:42
that core is the same core that
88:45
functions in all human beings when he
88:48
was speaking for himself he was speaking
88:49
for all human beings and so call being
88:54
calling himself the Son of God meaning
88:58
the expression of source the one source
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functioning through a unique instrument
89:05
as personal consciousness so that
89:07
personal consciousness is the expression
89:10
of the one source the son the offspring
89:15
and so there’s the the Father the Son
89:20
and the Holy Spirit the Trinity that is
89:23
three but not three three the Trinity is
89:28
three but one the Father the Son and the
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Holy Spirit so source at rest and the
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son is source linked to a particular
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body mind organism spirit in going from
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source at rest and impersonal
89:49
consciousness is the spirit of source at
89:51
rest or source at rest in movement
89:55
spirit consciousness linked to a
89:57
particular body mind and functioning
89:59
through that as personal consciousness
90:04
so it’s
90:05
seeing that unchanging perfection that
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is at the root of the human being and
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seeing all of the character as being the
90:19
clothing the instrument through which
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life is experienced and not allowing the
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characteristics the personality that has
90:29
its flaws and its uniqueness to obscure
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our recognition of the core
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thanks for sure
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yeah I just have a question about like
91:04
you say that we have to function in
91:07
every morning night moment as if we are
91:10
the doer and yeah like because life is
91:18
experienced as if we are the doer and
91:23
yeah I’ve just have like thoughts on
91:25
like attaining new skills because when
91:29
you when you learn something you are
91:32
obviously you’re functioning as the door
91:35
because you have like you think I can’t
91:37
want to learn this and then you like
91:38
make efforts to learn it and what I’m
91:42
actually like what I’m wondering is like
91:44
should we train our minds should we like
91:47
make conscious efforts to like train our
91:53
minds for me I have I’m experiencing
91:57
that a lot of the time my mind is just
92:00
like wandering and I have been told that
92:05
it’s possible to like change this
92:08
through training your mind concentration
92:11
and now when I’m here with this like
92:14
nandu ership teachings I am I feel like
92:19
well another way is to just let go and
92:24
like except maybe mine drifting but like
92:28
try to recognize that I’m not to do and
92:31
just find peace that way but still I’m
92:37
like or because even if I do train my
92:40
mind it’s not really my doing you know
92:42
it’s just happening so I’m like yeah
92:47
should I make conscious efforts to train
92:51
my mind or should I just let it go okay
92:53
so it’s a great question and it’s
92:56
important because if we just focus on
92:58
nandu ership and everyone just hears
93:00
nandu ership and i’m not the doer then
93:03
we miss the fact that in each moment we
93:05
are designed a certain way and we
93:08
function we you know know how to make
93:12
fried eggs in the morning
93:13
and we know how to fill in our taxes and
93:18
some people are talented at singing and
93:20
performing and other people are great
93:23
and you know other things so Nandu
93:29
ership is simply an attitude to what is
93:32
happening it doesn’t change the fact
93:35
that in each moment we are shaped a
93:37
particular way to function a particular
93:38
way and how do we get shaped we get
93:43
shaped by new conditioning coming in in
93:47
each and every moment and so if we
93:51
surrender let’s say if surrender happens
93:54
to the fact I’m not the doer it’s a
93:57
result of your mind being trained
94:01
essentially by life by new canoe
94:06
conditioning entering that has
94:09
highlighted why you’re not the doer
94:12
right and similarly if you were to
94:16
surrender it to not being the doer and a
94:21
friend said would you like me would you
94:24
like to join me I’m going to an Indian
94:27
cooking class it’s great value we spend
94:32
the whole morning cooking and then we
94:34
get to have lunch
94:36
eating what we’ve cooked and so having
94:40
surrendered to the idea you’re not the
94:43
doer you still are there in a physical
94:47
form you’ll still have your preferences
94:50
and you’ll still have to face
94:53
circumstance and so in that moment when
94:55
your friend says do you want to join me
94:57
you will find that life functions
95:01
through you as if you are the doer
95:03
meaning that a yes or a no comes out and
95:06
that yes or no is based on your makeup
95:10
in that particular point in time and so
95:13
let’s say – yes and let’s say destiny
95:16
life allows you to get to the cooking
95:19
class and you learn about all sorts of
95:23
different spices and
95:24
and how to mix things and how to make
95:27
the dough for certain breads and at the
95:31
end of it you eat a great lunch and so
95:35
life not you has now trained you to be
95:40
different to what you were before you’re
95:43
now more capable of producing a meal
95:47
that you previously might not have been
95:49
capable of doing so life brought about
95:53
the training to the extent that you say
95:56
should I train myself there’s a good
96:02
chance that the doer ship the leaf is
96:04
still in in that what you might say is
96:09
could life continue to train me in ways
96:15
for example of mind concentration and
96:17
the answer is of course it could it
96:20
could put in front of you
96:22
poster for a mine concentration workshop
96:26
which you might find yourself saying yes
96:29
or no to and if you find yourself saying
96:31
yes to it it’s based on your genes and
96:34
up-to-date-conditioning in the
96:35
circumstance you find yourself in you
96:37
might go to a mine concentration
96:39
workshop and it might be rubbish or you
96:42
go and it provides some very useful
96:46
techniques that allow you to function
96:50
differently the a lot of the training if
96:55
you if there’s the possibility of self
96:58
improvement on a biological level right
97:01
so you figure I’m not very strong and
97:04
I’m going to go to the gym then that
97:07
self improvement on a biological level
97:10
can happen we can improve ourself on a
97:14
biological level as much as we like and
97:18
it won’t affect our happiness our
97:20
happiness is going to be affected when
97:23
our attitude to life changes so as long
97:28
as it becomes clear that my happiness is
97:30
to be found not in the circumstance but
97:34
in my attitude to circumstance so if
97:37
life
97:38
trains mean attitudinally then it makes
97:42
sense that and what I mean by train is
97:45
it dissolves the previous attitude of
97:48
doer ship and attachment to outcomes if
97:51
life is training me biologically it
97:53
means that our life on a circumstantial
97:56
level is going to be different maybe
97:59
better maybe more pleasure and so
98:03
primarily I would be focused on the
98:06
attitudinal change but if this space for
98:09
you to improve yourself biologically as
98:12
well it makes sense
98:17
yeah so so basically what you’re saying
98:21
is that you I should like to focus on
98:26
dissolving the beliefs in doer ship no
98:31
I’m saying that life right you will do
98:35
everything it’s kind of like oh isn’t it
98:39
though why not yeah if you let go of the
98:43
idea and the doer
98:44
life will continue to function as it’s
98:46
always function you’ll continue to be
98:48
trained as you’ve always been trained
98:50
and you are off duty
98:54
yeah because right now I feel like I’m a
98:57
little bit like I’m in you know I’m
99:00
still obviously having some belief in
99:03
endure shape and I’m like feeling that I
99:06
need to yeah focus like and I need to do
99:11
effort I need to like to work you know I
99:14
need to work for for it yeah to everyone
99:18
here has been being changed while
99:23
sitting here right no one’s had to do
99:26
anything particular life has delivered
99:29
conditioning and that conditioning is
99:32
changing us in each moment were being
99:35
changed so the recognition is that in
99:38
this moment I have been shaped by life
99:41
and in next moment I will have been
99:44
shaped by life and so you don’t need to
99:49
control how life shapes you you can’t
99:51
all her life shapes you so from an on an
99:53
attitudinal level you how I surrender
99:56
and yet you’ll continue to be shaped by
99:59
life and you’ll continue to function
100:01
according to your shaping and the
100:05
thoughts happening if the thoughts are
100:09
continually happening as long as they
100:12
are witnessed as part of your biological
100:17
and psychological makeup then there’s no
100:20
need for them to change
100:21
it’s the witnessing of them as a
100:24
happening that means that there’s peace
100:27
with them and if you witness them as
100:30
something that you are doing and you
100:32
need to train yourself to stop doing
100:34
that then that’s a going to be a
100:38
resistance to the thoughts being there
100:40
if you can see them as a happening and
100:44
be a peace with them and at the same
100:46
time you then find a poster that says
100:50
here’s some tips about mental
100:53
concentration once that once you’ve
100:56
relaxed into the fact that they’re not
100:58
your doing they’re just part of your
101:01
genes and up-to-date-conditioning and
101:03
you allow them to be there there’s no
101:05
reason why you might not take part in
101:07
the workshop and find that your thoughts
101:10
quieten down which means that there’s
101:14
different biological movement and your
101:19
attitude remains the same one of
101:22
witnessing but the experience might be
101:25
more pleasurable not more concentrated I
101:32
have another question and that is like
101:35
physical pain yeah I find it very hard
101:42
like not to suffer when when there is
101:44
physical pain mm-hm is it possible it
101:48
depends what you mean by suffering right
101:50
because physical pain is always going to
101:52
be painful yeah and that is not
101:55
attitudinal that’s biological that’s
101:57
based on your biological preferences and
102:00
so the idea that pain is
102:04
it’s a concept to me doesn’t make sense
102:08
pain is actually part of the experience
102:10
based on the biology of the human being
102:12
and the circumstance and so if you have
102:15
a headache
102:16
it is painful if we mean if you’re clear
102:21
using the word suffering and you don’t
102:23
mean the pain of the headache but your
102:25
attitude to the pain of the headache and
102:27
you find that when there is the pain of
102:30
the headache you find it very hard to be
102:31
at peace with the pain you are resisting
102:35
the pain you’re saying why is this
102:36
happening to me I don’t want this to be
102:38
here this is disturbing what I’m doing
102:41
during the day and all of that is
102:44
suffering and that suffering is an
102:46
additional load on top of the pain that
102:49
is there the suffering doesn’t help the
102:53
situation it adds a whole new level of
102:57
suffering and comfortableness on top of
103:00
the pain if the suffering did fall away
103:04
because the attitude changes and it’s
103:08
understood that if pain is there it’s
103:11
there because it’s destined and this
103:12
moment to be there
103:13
destined according to the story of life
103:16
the creation of life it’s not my doing
103:19
and it’s there don’t just like clouds if
103:24
the clouds are covering the Sun and
103:25
you’re waiting for your clothes to dry
103:28
the fact is it’s destiny in that moment
103:32
for there to be no Sun and for your
103:34
clothes to take longer to dry and in the
103:37
same way if there’s a headache it’s
103:38
there because it’s destined to be there
103:40
not your doing and if that understanding
103:44
is there and the suffering is seemed to
103:47
be pointless just like if you’re
103:48
suffering at the fact that there are
103:50
clouds in front of the Sun and say why
103:53
are you there you shouldn’t be there
103:55
this is not acceptable life is not meant
103:59
to be this way then you have the pain of
104:02
your clothes being wet for longer and
104:05
this added load of suffering of the
104:08
uncomfortableness with the pain in the
104:11
situation if the attitude falls away and
104:14
the suffering falls away what we find is
104:16
the pain on it
104:18
is actually very manageable very
104:23
acceptable and what is most
104:27
uncomfortable on a level of Cyclone on a
104:34
level of self is the suffering and not
104:37
the pain
104:38
so these distinctions conceptual
104:43
distinctions of the pain versus the
104:46
attitude to the pain can help us to see
104:49
hmm the difference and then the
104:51
explanation that says well your attitude
104:53
to pain is really fighting what is
104:56
fighting a situation that you didn’t
104:59
create a situation that is just part of
105:03
destiny so we have to accept that right
105:12
pain might be part of our destiny like
105:14
physical you can’t accept it what will
105:18
happen is suffering will arise if your
105:21
genes and up-to-date-conditioning don’t
105:24
see that it’s just a happening so
105:28
suffering will arise if your genes and
105:30
up-to-date-conditioning are designed not
105:32
to see it as a happening and suffering
105:35
won’t arise if your genes and
105:38
up-to-date-conditioning are such that
105:40
it’s very clear that your resistance of
105:42
the pain is not going to change the pain
105:45
your resistance of the pain is actually
105:47
going to make the situation the experi
105:49
the experience much worse and if your
105:52
genes and up-to-date-conditioning deeply
105:55
understand that pain doesn’t even come
105:57
close to touching Who I am at my core
105:59
even with a headache I am I exist no
106:05
doubt the experience of the moment is
106:07
not pleasurable but I am I exist if your
106:13
genes and up-to-date-conditioning are
106:14
like that then suffering won’t arise so
106:18
acceptance is not something you do
106:21
acceptance is the absence of non
106:24
acceptance
106:32
is there a meaning to life you can put
106:44
whatever meaning you like on life hmm if
106:48
you create expectation out of your
106:55
meaning then it’s likely that there’s
106:59
going to be suffering because that
107:01
expectation may or may not get met so I
107:07
would say the meaning of life based on
107:10
my experience is to be to be really
107:14
means to function as the human being
107:19
without attachment to outcomes and
107:23
without seeing yourself as the doer and
107:26
the other as the doer and the reason I
107:28
say that that is the meaning of life is
107:31
because when that happens which is not
107:33
your doing it’s just life unfolding when
107:35
life effects the human being in such a
107:40
way that they function that way
107:43
seeking stops seeking stops because
107:48
uncomfortableness stops and when the
107:53
uncomfortableness stops and the seeking
107:55
stops it to me means that the goal has
108:00
been met
108:02
because when the goal hasn’t been met
108:05
what we find is seeking and so if
108:08
seeking stops we need to look at what it
108:11
is here that has brought about the end
108:16
of seeking and what we find is that the
108:20
end of seeking happens not when a
108:22
particular circumstance is a certain way
108:24
not when you are producing something
108:27
wonderful or contributing to life peace
108:31
and the end of seeking happens when
108:33
there is a simple acceptance of life
108:36
being exactly the way it is in that
108:38
moment so you might find yourself
108:40
totally incapacitated
108:43
because you’ve had an accident or old
108:46
age or just because you don’t feel like
108:49
doing anything else so you find yourself
108:53
actually being a fairly non contributing
108:56
member of society that’s a possibility
108:59
and the contentment and peace can still
109:04
be there so we find that the the
109:07
contentment and peace is not because
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we’re doing something particular and
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similarly you might find yourself a very
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productive member of society
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and the peace can still be there we
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might find ourselves oscillating between
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the two being productive and then at
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some point that productivity comes to an
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end and we find ourselves being what
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society might call lazy whereas for the
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person at peace if someone says you’re
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so lazy
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what I’m completely dedicated to
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enjoying life right now I do this better
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than anyone else how can you call me
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lazy
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so if I’m sitting on it castle doesn’t
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okay so just for the sake of the thing
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doesn’t it make you incompetent if you
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are doing or if you are just being I
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guess I would be incompetent relative to
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some benchmarks which a mine made
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benchmark so if I’m just allowing life
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to unfold enjoying life meaning at peace
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with life and someone has a benchmark
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that says you know you should have a
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family and let’s say I haven’t had a
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family someone would say based on the
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benchmark that the purpose of life is
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they have a family they would call me
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incompetent my piece thankfully would
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mean I wouldn’t believe them and what
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about the cost you put on society if
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you’re not contributing is there nothing
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ethical like is there no right and
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wrongs
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well remember what I’m talking about is
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a functioning and I’m particularly
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pointing at the attitudinal functioning
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right so I’m talking about someone who
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finds themselves at peace with
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themselves being exactly as they are
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which means they find themselves at
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peace with everyone else being exactly
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the way they are and frankly it’s the
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best contribution you could make to
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society
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the other way of contributing or of
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being in society someone who produces a
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lot and if they don’t have this attitude
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will judge everyone else who doesn’t
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produce as much as them which is
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essentially attacking and being cruel to
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others they will find themselves being
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judgmental of themselves whenever they
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find themselves incapable of producing
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at the standard that they have set for
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themselves and that is the attitude of
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doership and attachment which creates an
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attitude of rivalry in anima t judgment
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and greed and it’s on that basis that
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life on a circumstantial level is a
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little bit messed up on the basis that
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people are functioning from this place
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of douche of an attachment to outcome it
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creates wars between superficial
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differences or as a result of seeing
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superficial differences as significant
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and essentially it’s based on not
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accepting life and the other is there no
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not at all it’s not their doing so the
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the the existence of the ego or not ego
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at the existence of this doership
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if seem from a place of understanding
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and clarity will bring about empathy and
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compassion if anything in its basic form
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empathy and compassion simply means not
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buying into the story that that person
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has about themselves and the other so
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yes it has it’s completely seen as
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impersonal not their doing but a
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happening that has to happen that way
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to be very careful though because like
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it can be used to because because I’ve
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experienced us with many people in my
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life where they use it to like sit and
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smoke pot all day or like just doing
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nothing man like this is what I
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understand from you or from Eckhart
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Tolle or whomever it is that what you’re
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talking about is actually a very intense
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involvement it’s actually like a very
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it’s it’s an aliveness it’s not a it’s
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not a piece out zoned out necessarily
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state of being it’s an engagement but
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just stillness but an engagement yes
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non-attachment doesn’t mean non
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participation it means to participate as
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fully as we are designed to participate
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with an attitude of witnessing lifers
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are happening knowing the outcome is not
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in our control without that turning into
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without that making us complacent or is
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irresponsible so it is it’s a very fine
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line which is why the teaching goes to
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great lengths to create concepts that
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fit into a holistic framework that when
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the holistic framework is understood
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when people ask questions like this and
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the answers are delivered which is part
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of the framework it continues to narrow
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us down onto a very fine line which is a
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fine line that is not based on a belief
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that the do ship has grabbed hold of it
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will continue to highlight any occasions
115:19
when the belief in doer ship and
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attachment sneaks in the back door and
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one of the ways it does that is to say
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that one of the beacons that we need to
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follow be aware of is the beacon of
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peace and the beacon of suffering when
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suffering is there it’s just an
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indication that something has gone wrong
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not ultimately gone wrong but
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attitudinally something isn’t being seen
115:46
clearly and so whenever suffer
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is recognized then we can become an
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expert when the pointers allow us to
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start feeling on a level of what’s
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actually happening the different forms
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of suffering the guilt the blame the
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pride the worry and expectation
116:03
once we start to become familiar with
116:06
what that feels like whenever it pops up
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in life it’s like ooh
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awareness lands on and this is suffering
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in the moment and then the thought might
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arise suffering means something in my
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attitude is not quite right and then we
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look at that suffering and we see it’s
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arising in the form of blame for what
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the other has done the other said that
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they would come on holiday with me and a
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day before we’re due to leave they
116:35
cancelled and that uncomfortableness
116:40
will get picked up by the working mind
116:44
and awareness and an inquiry into it
116:48
what has gone wrong and so if the Nandu
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ship is taken on as a belief and we find
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ourselves essentially covering up
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misunderstanding using the idea well
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it’s all just distant you know I don’t
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have to do anything I’ll just wait here
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till something comes along or even if we
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find ourselves stealing and then the
117:18
concept says well it was destined for me
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to steal and was destined for that
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person to have things taken away from
117:25
them actually it’s true from an outside
117:29
perspective but that might be just being
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used as a justification to carry on a
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need for more and if it is being used to
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carry on a need for more more more then
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it’s not going to create peace they’re
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still going to be the underlying
117:49
suffering that’s going to arise the
117:52
person might try to justify their
117:54
situations with the concept but it won’t
117:56
undo the suffering that is inevitable
117:59
and so at some point if
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the concepts have settled in deeply
118:04
enough that suffering that remains will
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get registered and then an inquiry will
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go in it will go it will happen and the
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person might realize actually I’m
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kidding myself I’m just using this
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concept as an excuse to maintain a
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belief in attachment to outcome and when
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that scene if the if the the earnestness
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is there the earnestness that’s is
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actually what I really am looking for is
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the end of suffering then that little
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loophole that has been created based on
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the concept being taken not as intended
118:48
will be shown and it will come to an end
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in due course and if we don’t have a
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framework that identifies the primary
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suffering the secondary suffering the
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tertiary suffering doesn’t explains that
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the primary suffering is always an
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attitude to pleasure or pain the
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secondary suffering is an attitude to
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the primary suffering the tertiary
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suffering is a attitude to the secondary
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suffering if that’s not explained and it
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might not be understood when I just said
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it now might be what’s he talking about
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but as we here at time and time again
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and we start to observe in our own life
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these different movements it all starts
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to become clear
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thank you

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